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Description GENESIS II SELECT Directional In- Car Moving Traffic Safety Radar System The new Genesis II Select is a state-of-the-art digital police radar system utilizing 32-bit DSP processing. This powerful computer enables the radar to process the signal in greater depth which translates into faster response and great accuracy. Genesis II Select uses Silver Ring K-band and Ka-Band antennas.
SIMPLE AND AUTOMATIC SAME LANE. ADVANCED TARGET IDENTIFICATION.
IMPROVED RFI REJECTION. WATERPROOF ANTENNAS. SMALL DETACHABLE DISPLAY. DIGITAL SPEED PROCESSING.
LOW MICROWAVE POWER OUTPUT. Stationary Accuracy +/- 1 MPH. Moving Accuracy + / – 2 MPH.
Target Speed Range – 10-210 MPH. Patrol Speed Range – 5-100 MPH.
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Speed Sampling Rate – 100 Samples / Sec.
Hi Folks, First off, I'd like to say thanks to everyone who has posted info on fighting speeding tickets - I've read through a number of messages and learnt quite a bit. So.now, my questions, and thanks in advance if anyone can help me out, or point me in the right direction. Okay, so I got a speeding ticket, (duh!), and have set a trial date to fight it. I've requested disclosure and recieved it - however, it doesn't have any information on the officer's training records. I've since requested this, and calibration logs, in a Freedom of Information request sent to the OPP detachment - but, I don't think it will get to me before the trial! The disclosure from the Prosecutor has a copy of the ticket's back side, (a brief synopsis of the infraction, a driver statement, and that the officer is a 'qualified radar operator', and that the radar was tested at 900hrs, and then at 1730hrs. (I thought there was case law that the unit had to be tested before and after a ticket was issued?) The officer says: 'Driver stated - it's ok, I'm going into 90 zone.'
This is a false.there's no way I'd say I was entering a 90 zone.there aren't any anywhere around my area! I've driven in my area for 18 years.it's not like I'd suddenly think an 80 zone is a 90 zone. So, if I challenge this statement, how much relevence, (if any), would it have on the trial? (I thought I'd try to establish some reasonable doubt as to the officer's recollection of events). How important, as evidence, is the info on the back of the ticket? And if there is an error like the above.does this open the way for an argument that if the officer was wrong about this, he could be wrong about xxxxxx? Another question: I'd read somewhere that police are supposed to go and update their qualifications periodically.
Does anyone know when OPP are supposed to 're-qualify' for radar unit certification? I had heard every two years, but I can't find anything on-line.
I mean, just because the officer wrote on the ticket that he is a 'qualified radar operator', how do we know this? And if the officer shows up to trial without certificates showing qualification, is this grounds to dismiss the case?
(No proof of an expert witness?) The radar unit I was nabbed on is a Geneis II Select Directional, by Decatur Electronics. I've been trying to find info on its required maintenance schedule, but again, have found ziltch. The disclosure notes just had that the operator can perform an 'operator-requested self test', and a 'road test'. But.does anyone know anything beyond this??? Are the radar units supposed to be test by a party independent of the law enforcement people using it?
(ie: the manufacturer) Don't the OPP have to use tuning forks to test the radar units? I've seen a manual for a Decatur radar gun, but it doesn't really get into proper testing/maintenance, either. I'm thinking that if I don't know how often the radar equipment must be maintained, then I really can't question the officer on his maintenance of it.! Hmmm.gee, what else can I pull up to challenge a speeding ticket?! Aw, blast, I'm screwed. Seriously, if anyone has any info they can throw out them, I'd appreciated it. I'm still debating if I can try to talk the Prosecutor down to a lower charge and if I should accept it, or take my chances in court, and hope the JP will drop the charge, based on a good defense.
(I'm in a small area.I'm pretty sure the cop will show up, and the Prosecution, JP, will be a lot friendlier to him than me!) Ugh. Well, this whole thing has been an incredible learning experience. You haven't provided details of the charge so it's hard to provide assistance. Unless you really know your subject matter, your attempt to challenge the officer's skills and equipment will be fruitless as you need to instill reasonable doubt in the mind of the JP. When you don't know what you are talking about, all you do instill confidence in the JP's opinion of the officer. Unless you have an excessive charge, in most cases depending on your record you can work a plea bargin with the Crown. For example, if the offence is 100 in an 80 zone and you have a clean driving record and tell the Crown you were moving with the flow of traffic and concentrating on the road ahead, you will likely get an offer to reduce the fine.
If it is a simple case of you doing something really dumb, a plea bargin may not work. You may be better off just paying the fine. Keep in mind, when yo go to court you must wait until your case is called. You also need to put a price on your personal time. If you work, the time off work may be greater than the fine.
Hope this helps. Jul 3rd, 2008 10:31 pmYou haven't provided details of the charge so it's hard to provide assistance.
Unless you really know your subject matter, your attempt to challenge the officer's skills and equipment will be fruitless as you need to instill reasonable doubt in the mind of the JP. When you don't know what you are talking about, all you do instill confidence in the JP's opinion of the officer. Unless you have an excessive charge, in most cases depending on your record you can work a plea bargin with the Crown. For example, if the offence is 100 in an 80 zone and you have a clean driving record and tell the Crown you were moving with the flow of traffic and concentrating on the road ahead, you will likely get an offer to reduce the fine. If it is a simple case of you doing something really dumb, a plea bargin may not work. You may be better off just paying the fine. Keep in mind, when yo go to court you must wait until your case is called.
You also need to put a price on your personal time. If you work, the time off work may be greater than the fine.
Hope this helps. Hi, and thanks for the reply. Here's a few more details. Speeding ticket was for going 98km/hr in a 60 zone. (I know, it sounds horrible.) I was exiting a small town, and was about 1 km away from the 80km/hr highway zone. (Not relevent, but this 60 zone was previously an 80 zone, but reduced a few years ago). So, 38km over: 4 demerit points, and $283 ticket.
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(major ouch!) No break, or reduced charge, from the Officer. The officer notes that I was the lone vehicle, so there is no defense of 'following the traffic'. My driving record is clean. Er, well, there's a 90km/h in an 80 zone that I picked up on Oct/05, but I think that's off my driving record, so I won't be telling a lie if I say my record is clean. Just a few more months, and it would have been off the insurance records!) I talked to the Prosecution over the phone about a 'First Attendence Meeting', but she advised that this was no longer an option since I now had a trial date. I'm not sure I can plea bargain before the trial commences, or if she would be willing to do so. In this worst case scenario, I figure if I fight the ticket, the maximum penality I face is being found guilty and paying the full $283 ticket, and getting the points.
I don't think that arguing in Court will make my penalty worse. And if I take a long time, than at least the $283 is paying for the time spent!
Uh.I do actually have a lot of time off, currently. My spending time in court is not really an issue - actually, I 'm going in tomorrow morning to act as a spectator. Get a feel for the process.
I'm not sure that will do anything, but the Prosecutor, (there's only the one, here) will see me, and maybe I can discuss my case between breaks, or ask questions. I'm not sure I'm comfortable using this as an excuse, or a mitigating factor, but at the time I was ticketed, my mother and I were discussing my father's monument, (he passed away in Nov/o7) - so honestly, I don't know what speed I was travelling. I couldn't swear under oath as to what it was, just that I wasn't travelling at what I consider to be an excessive speed. (Honestly, others travel this fast, too, in this stretch.and it's rare for cops to even be in town). It's just that, if I can't plea bargain, then I have to go through with the trial, anyway. So, I'm trying to prepare for that eventuality.
Thanks for you time - it looks like, if I can, I should try to get the plea bargain. Jul 3rd, 2008 10:57 pmIf he does choose to pay, his insurance company will find out and raise his rates (if not now, at renewal and it will cost you more in insurance risk). Good luck fighting it, I would hope that the speedy trial thing kicks in. Yes, I'm worried about the insurance. I had talked to some Traffic Ticket fighters, and they thought my 38km/h over was a Major ticket offence.
(My reading is that it's a Minor ticket). I'm just about resigned to taking the hit, though - I know the odds of winning a speeding trial are slim. As for speedy trial - the time between the alleged offense and my court date: 3 months! Everying I'd read led me to believe I'd have at least 8 months to prepare based on overbook courts.
(Apologies in advance to those who will find this long and tedious. I haven’t read many actual court experiences, so I thought I’d toss out what I saw). Well, traffic court was almost interesting.
Only not very. So, today I went in as a spectator.and honestly, it was waaaaay embarassing. I was late for the beginning of the morning session, so decided to 'sneak' in the back door and observe. Once in court I noticed.there was only one other spectator in this largish court room! As I entered, of course, defense, prosecution, JP, court scribe all had a nice look back to see who had entered. Trust me, you can feel pretty 'under the microscope!' , and uncomfortable initially.
Not wanting to be too obtrusive, I took a seat near the back, but it was nearly impossble to hear the soft-spoken JP. So, periodically, I would move up a few more benches.then a few more, when I still couldn't hear what all the players were saying. I was lucky in that there was someone actually 'fighting' his case, as opposed to the majority plea bargaining. This defendent was represented by Ontario Traffic Ticket (specialists??), and this representation was grilling the cop, (on the stand), and he was touching on what I was initially planning to use as my defense: Did the cop do a road test before and after the ticket infraction.
According to the Genesis II Delect Directional manual: 'In addition to this road test, as part of the tracking history for any violation in which enforcement action is to be taken, it is a mandatory requirement that there be this correlation between the patrol speed of the police vehicle and the patrol speed displayed on the radar unit at that time. Without this correlation no enforcement action shall be taken.' See, when I read this, I thought 'Aha! What are the odds the cop did this??
On the ticket, he wrote that the radar unit was tested at 900 hrs, and 1730hrs.so, beginning and end of shift! His notes don't indicate that he tested the radar in between these times.I win! Especially since the manual itself clearly states, “no enforcement action shall bet taken”!
The Traffic Ticket fighter did challenge the cop on this, though he wasn’t overly aggressive on the issue. He brought up that: there was no evidence of a road test in the evidence logs.
The cop repeated stated that he must have checked the unit numerous times during his shift, if not necessarily before and after that ticket. He stated, he would have noticed a discrepancy if the unit were acting abnormally. (Ie: suddenly giving much higher readings).
(The prosecution also reviewed this matter, and again the cop was emphatic that he was well-versed in the use of the radar, it was functioning properly, etc.) Ticket Fighter: “Would it surprise you if I told you (didn’t hear him!) 3km/hr correlation?” Cop: “If that is what it says in the manual, I’m sure it’s correct”. (Blah, blah, blah, I am trained in proper use of radarblah, blah, this was repeated several times over the course of testimony) Ticket Fighter: something about disputing the speed clocked at - “the manual is clear on what must be done”, (I assume for the visual tracking history) - brought up Regina v. Martin, (copy given to JP)think it had to do with laser readings, but he was drawing a parallel to radar - argued something about the cop admitting to being uncertain if a certain test had been performed (the road test) - R.
Vs Hazel(?) mentioned, - tested regarding specifications? - Argued that since the cop had no specifics, how can the Court be sure he performed them - Requested dismissal of the case, based on the above – no luck! My impression was that the JP did not put much faith into what the Ticket fighter was arguing. He was satisified that the cop was indeed a qualified radar operator, and that the unit was functioning as it should - enough said. The Ticket fighter then commenced to call the defense the stand, to testify on his own behalf. (!!!!) I was shocked – I thought you tried to avoid this whenever possible.
However, the defendant wasn’t contesting the speeding, only the speed the radar registered. (His ticket was for 110km/hr in an 80 zone.
He was saying, (under oath), that his was only traveling, at most 95km/hr in the 80 zone). My reaction: “Oh, for the love of -! Why bother hiring the ticket fighter for this???
Apparently, it was the goal of the ticket fighter to indeed plead guilty to the lesser chargeI guess this is what the defendant wanted. Ticket fighter was friendly with the prosecutor, (no evident animousity), so I guess they do see each other quite a bit in courtshe didn’t ask the defendant any questions while he was on the stand, so I think she was more than willing to compromise, instead of really attacking him for admitting to speeding while under oath. Judgement was: Convicted of speeding 100km in an 80 zone. (Which was only 10km less than the original charge!) There was some discrepancy in the Set Fine that I couldn’t quite hear. I think the prosecution asked for $90 fine+, the defense request $75+, and the JP settled for the $75+. The JP didn’t place any value the lack of before and after testing of the radar equipment, and had no qualms about using the radar reading as evidence. This whole case, to me, was surprising – not a great resolution for the defendant he probably had to pay the Ticket fighter $200, on top of his fine!
I’m still not sure why the defense went this route. Anywaythat was the end of the morning session. Continue to the next post if you’re interested in reading what happened in the afternoon! Afternoon session, I was too late to see any of the plea bargaining taking place. In total, there were less than 25 people there, including about 6 cops waiting to testify, or act as witnesses. (Gah, I really hate living in a small community right now!) As court commenced, I was surprised to see that most of the defendents did plead guilty to reduced charges of speeding.
Each took no more than 5 minutes to resolve. Two or three of them were pleading guilty to 109km in an 80 zone – so, still 29km/hr over, and 3 demerit points.
What I did notice, though, was that the JP was fining according to the more expensive Set Fine Schedule, ($4.50/km over, vs. $3.75 in the HTA; I think I’ve got these sorted right). So the ticket fines were $130.50+Victim Surcharge+ Admin Fee, should equal $160.50, if I did the math right) I was really curious about the Fines, since I’d talked to the Prosecutor briefly after the morning court session, and said something about how a cop had said she might drop the charge to 20km/hr over the limit.and she basically said she was very unlikely to do that.
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The most she’d offer was probably the 109km in an 80 zone, which several others had pleaded guilty to. Even one of the tickets originally clocked at 140+km was down to 109 over. (I’m not 100% sure about this one – it caught my attention because it sounded really close to the street racing 50+ overmaybe the ticket was for 47km/hr over the limit.
Sorry, it was hard to hear! I recall thinking, geez my 38 over should be dropped to.25 over! Not this standard 29km/hr that everyone seems to be getting!
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(I’m being mildly facetious). As I was sayingseveral guilty to lower speeding offenses took place, all lasting 5 minutes or less. Defendents grabbed their bills and left, as did cop for that case, who didn’t have to testify due to the guilty plea.
Next up was: some younger man, maybe early twenties, who asked for a dismissal of the charge due to the set fine being incorrect – he got it! (I was thinking: Lucky guy! I wonder if he read that thread on RFD… Another ticket was dismissed, since it appeared the cop had amended the ticket at some point(sorry, sketchy on the details, here)end result was the ticket being thrown out. One speeding conviction of 100km in an 80zone, Set Fine: $90+ It’s interesting to note that the Court seemed to be using the higher Set Fines Schedule automatically, in their convictions, as opposed to the lower HTA Set Fines Schedule. At least six people did not show up in court – I assume guilty due to absence.
(I couldn’t hear a bloody thing the JP said on these! I either need hearing aids, or he was totally muttering). There was a careless driving charge that I stuck around to the end for, but it’s unrelated so I’ll skip it. The JP went through a “pre-trial” with the defendant and the prosecutor after all the other court issues had been dealt with.
Ohone other speeding case. (I felt bad for these guys). They were Sri Lankin(??), and asked for a translatorthere was not one provided. They had previously adjourned their case, and wanted the prosecutor to adjourn for a second time. She was unwilling because the cop was present, (again), it was an inconvenience to her, (the cop) to also have to show up for trial, only for that trial not to take place. Prosecutor’s options: plead guily, or go to trial.
They ended up going to trialand it really was an exercise of what NOT to do. Obviously they had no court room experience, and were uncomfortable and did not know what to expect. The older of the two men was translating the court proceedings from English into their native tongue, (??), but that was it, basically. Upon cross-examination of the cop, all they asked were what directions the cruiser was going in, (s/b or n/b), and what their vehicle was traveling in. What was their license plate? There was a discrepancy between plate reading letter “E” instead of “F”. (Obviously, an amendable error, for any of those who have done some research).
Ultimately, they had no defense and were found guilty of speeding 129km/hr in an 80km zone, and fined $294+. (Wow, I didn’t notice until now1km away from street racing ticket!) HmmJP used the HTA Set Fine Schedule here, $6/km over vs $7/km. They did get 6 months to pay, though. So, my whole going to court wasn’t too productive, in that I didn’t really get to see anyone seriously challenging a speeding ticket.
I did see that the most the prosecutor seemed to be offering was 109km in an 80 zone, 29km/hr over. My dilemmain the next post. (Anyone still reading? Wow, you’re to be commended! Y’know, I really hope I’m not breaking RFD convention by posting so much, especially given I don’t have a history here. I’m just hoping this may help a few others, and I’m still open to any advise) My dilemma w/respect to my ticket of 98km/hr in a post 60km zone.I don’t think the JP will seriously entertain any challenges that the radar unit has flaws, nor that the cop’s credentials that he is a “qualified radar operator” can be called into question -from morning session, even without the manual’s before/after check having been done, the radar reading was still allowed into evidence A few other notes: - the prosecutor has only been a prosecutor for 3 months.
(I overheard her mention this as they were clarifying some issues after morning court) - therefore, probably less willing to reduce charge below this 109km in 80 zone.? -she’s the only traffic prosecutor in this jurisdiction – I won’t be able to try my luck with another prosecutor - my request under the Ontario Freedom of Information act (section 10 & 11), for calibration logs, the radar manual, maintenance records, officer’s training record specific to the radar unit used, an “authorized certificate of training” issued to the officer in my city, and a few other technical info requests will not be provided because: 1. Copyright laws prevent the copying of the radar manual, (I can make an appointment to see the manual, but all info relevant to my case, (apparently), has already been provided in my initial disclosure. (ie: radar self-test, road test) 2. The city I’m in does not actually issue “certificates of training” with respect to the radar.
So, nothing on paper to show that the cops have had training. Just their say so that they have been trained by the local OPP detachment, and as such, are qualified to use the radar device; and that they take refresher courses every two years. (Prosecutor also mentioned that she has taken this “training” herself, and that it is very basic. – didn’t get paperwork saying she’s a qualified radar operator, but apparently she is???) -my trial is next Fridayso, it’s not like I have a lot of time to see if they do provide any further info for me Dilemma is: On trial date, I can request an adjournment based on the fact that I have not been provided with the addition info I requested – but this may be denied, and I will have to go to trial. In which case, I probably can’t plea bargain! I will have to proceed with my defense. Given how the Traffic fighter wasn’t able to establish reasonable doubt regarding the cop’s radar qualifications, I’m sure I won’t be able to either.
Or, I could motion for a dismissal over the prosecutions/OPP’s inability to provide me with the info I requested to make full answere and defense to the charge. This appears unlikely to succeed. The prosecutor’s pretty much said the best plea bargain I’d get is a reduction to 29km over the limit.
So, ticket moves from “major” territory to “minor” offense. (I’m a little confused hereI thought anything.
Jul 3rd, 2008 11:09 pm I'm not sure I'm comfortable using this as an excuse, or a mitigating factor, but at the time I was ticketed, my mother and I were discussing my father's monument, (he passed away in Nov/o7) - so honestly, I don't know what speed I was travelling. I couldn't swear under oath as to what it was, just that I wasn't travelling at what I consider to be an excessive speed. (Honestly, others travel this fast, too, in this stretch.and it's rare for cops to even be in town). I think that would be a perfect argument. 'I have no idea how fast I was going but people speed here all of the time because the cops are never around' I'm sure the ticket will be thrown out. Jul 5th, 2008 2:10 amAny chance you can post what happened with the careless driving fight, or PM it to me? I'm currently trying to fight one, and want to spectate one before court.
Hmm, doesn't look like many people are interested in this thread. W/respect to the careless driving charge, there's not much I can report on. I wasn't paying too much attention, and just stayed in case something came up that may have helped me. The defendent had hit another parked vehicle/machine in February '08, with enough force to move it into something else.causing damage, and requiring machinery to extract the hit item from where it now rested.
The defendent themself, must have just driven off, as they were later found 2 blocks away. (It's a very small town). I think road conditions were icy/snowy. There were three Prosecution witness - 2 cops, and a civilian. The defense requested an adjournment because their witness was, 'very sick, and couldn't get out of bed'. Prosecution opposed this, (smelled a rat!), on grounds that her witnesses were present, (difficult to schedule their appearances, etc.) JP granted the adjournment, and scheduled a new court date around Sept/Oct, based on cops schedules - and made the defendent stay for a 'pre-trial', (I think) which occured after the rest of the afternoon's cases had been dealt with. (This took place from approx.
Basically, it seemed that the JP was trying to establish the details of the accident, going over the basics with both defense and prosecutor.so that the presenting JP who would oversee the case would have the details. The good news is that the JP did seem to be impartial and was spending a lot of time explaining, (in a non-judgemental manner), to the defense what they needed to know, what they were facing, what they could expect when the new trial date arrived. This may also have been for the benefit of the prosecutor, (only three months on the job!). That's all for that.
Sorry I can't tell you more, except that careless driving is infinitely easier to dispute than a speeding ticket! If you pick up 'The Law of Traffic Offences, 2 ed.' , I find it provides some interesting case law history that may help you out. The authors are Scott Hutchinson, David Rose, and Philip Downes, published by Carswell. W/respect to my speeding ticket: I talked this over with a few other of my friends and they're of the opinion that it is very difficult to beat a speeding ticket, so I'm pretty much leaning towards taking the plea bargain. I hate to wuss out, but I think I'd be more upset to lose in court, and then have my ticket come out to be $50 MORE if based on the higher fine schedule.
I was going to attack the cop's use of the radar given: 1. Was the radar properly calibrated? Before and after the ticket infraction? With tuning forks?